Sayeein does not mind if people click on thumbs down.
Sayeein cares about facts, reality, reasonings.
agar aap mein sey koi evidence dey dey key bahria mein investment kerni chaheye is wakt tou plx share your thoughts. Takey sab ka fayada ho.
Musafar,
I appreciate that you took the step and shared your thoughts.
Anybody else?
I can always jump in with my views and as always you feel free to disagree. But you got to prove me wrong.
fair enough?
Mein hint deta hoon: market is very smart and price reflects a story.
Sayeein brother! Please present your thoughts, that only can take the discussion forward
@ sayeein…SIr people think about phase 8 because prices are really at the bottom level so price tags are tempting…That is it…Although i donoat see phase 8 as good for investment, just sharing a market sentiment
My thoughts as an investor:
first of all i appreciate that Musafar shared his views. He has some reasoning and remember that these forums are not to criticize someone just for the sake of criticism but to help people learn,,to help people make money, and to help people achieve their goals.
Yes the bahria prices have been falling off the cliff. They have been falling for more than 2 years and now have kind of stopped falling further.
Now as an investor would you buy so that your money grows?
My answer NO.
As a genuine homebuilder to live in bahria?
Maybe yes. But consider paying a visit to enclave1 islamabad if Bahria is your destiny.
Now i will shift my focus towards investment.
I am a student of comparison. Please look in the vicinity and find the price of 10 marlas in different society. Now find the price of 10 marla in bahria. Now compare the access towards capital (the major price mover). And they ask yourself that why would the buyer invest in bahria pindi? yehi question price ko move kerti hey..aur yahi mein 2 years sey kehta aa raha hoon. Aur aap dekh lo Allah key fazl sey meri baat kia ghalet nikli?
Insaan aur khotey mein aqal ka farq hey..ager insaan demagh na use kerey tou wo khotey sey acha shayed nahi.
apni mehnat ki kamai ko wahan lagayeein jahan aap apney khud key sawalo ka jawab dey sako. Bahria ki price bohut ooper gayi thi..for no solid reason. Now when more societies appear on Islamabad expressway and all (close to capital) then investors (v.smart) fled there. Is wajah sey bahria ki prices ka bera gharek hua and people are still suffering.
Now these people argued with me. Over and over again..per were they right? yaad rakho market bohut smart hoti hey. You should invest where you think odds are in your favor.
Bahria ki sari monoply sirf infrastructure per thi and good development per...but is this the only thing that drives the prices high? apparently not. Ab dekh lo.
infact societies on Islamabad Expressway kept on increasing.
now if you want to argue then its your right. But in reality you lose money.
I had a meeting with the prominent dealers of Phase 8 last month and can you believe that they all have started dealing in other societies. They all opened new businesses. Why? coz bahria was done..
Hamesha zindagi key her shobey mein sakoon sey socho..dekho key odds aap ki favor mein hein ? dekho key aap kahein bheer chall ka shikar tou nahi? dekho key aap ney sakon sey apney sab sawalo ka jawab dey diya? ghalet decision leney sey behter hey key aap decision na lo.
Your homework: find the latest price of bahria 10 mnarla...compare it with other societies next to islamabad. Now if bahria is cheaper go for it. Ye hey science. Agar aap aisa nahi kero gey tou nuqsaan uthaao gey.
ofcourse it is better to do research than making a quick decision.
Sayeein brother! I agree with what you said. You’re right that location is a very important factor when it comes to valuation of real estate. You’re also right that bahria town doesn’t have that factor as compared to some other societies on the expressway … BUT
Location being as important as it is, is still not the only factor. You’re right that people needing access to Islamabad are not attracted to bahria town easily, but that is not a make-or-break factor for everyone. There are people who can afford to compromise on that factor one way or another. And then the strengths of bahria town starts once you pass that one factor.
It is an undeniable fact that infrastructure and facilities in bahria are unmatched. This is not a factor that any smart person can ignore. Bahria and DHA is a vast area. With population expansion and urbanization, it has to get populated one day. There will be enough economic activity here that daily commute to Islamabad for most people might not be needed then. The prices of real estate here in those times will be a different story
What I am talking about is a long-term venture, something like 15 years may be, which will suit people who want to invest money for that long and as a means to have security and stability for their families in future. I do agree with you though that this may be not suitable for some people’s purpose of investment, as they might be looking for flipping plots every couple of years to make some quick bucks.
Thus I agree with you and know what you’re talking about … You see more potential in other places compared to bahria for making a profit … But my point is that bahria can not be ignored or taken out of the equation … As after all every investor do have different goals and timelines. The longterm fundamentals are in bahria. The other societies might make a few bucks for you by opening a road or access at one point in time, but in the long run their track record doesn’t match-up and their infrastructure etc isn’t lasting
Also bahria enclave is a gem in my opinion that you referred to, the only drawback and that is pretty big in my view … CDA NOC isn’t there, the original planning was for bigger plots and the smaller plots always run the risk of something legal occurring there … We do say that it is not possible in this land of the pure, but the world is changing and you never know what could be around the corner … Look around you and you’ll likely see things that might not have been imaginable few years ago
Lastly I do not agree that all the falling prices in bahria are due to its location, that could be a factor but the blunder or loot Malik Riaz did in enclave 2 took away the confidence of people in bahria and then PMLN government with Chaudhry Nisar, tussle with Chaudhry Iftikhar, combined looting with Gen. Kiyani’s brother in DHA valley and then getting caught by Gen.Raheel, getting forced to move most of his machinery to DHA valley and running to Karachi because of favourable Sindh government to conduct real business there until times can change in Islamabad … All added-on to sink bahria … But the reality of its solid foundation and infrastructure stays, it is only a matter of time. There is still a genuine demand in the market for possession bahria plots while no one cares about any bahria files, this is what the market shows us proving this point right. No one trusts bahria promise any more (which is its file) but want to buy its possession-ready land
At the very end, this is of course only my own opinion. All should comment for bringing out different angles and ideas. No single plan for investments suits everyone, thus individualized planning is needed to be done by all. Even after all this, it’s only ‘tadbeer’ and ‘taqdeer’ is in the hands of Almighty Allah alone.
Very well said Musafar brother. You portrayed the true pic about Bahria Pindi debacle.
Its good that you listed your points.
Is that it or you still have points left?
I read them all and have feesback.
Dear brothers,
Bahria phase8 developed+possession and safari valley is still best option for genuine buyers who like to live in peaceful environment with all basic facilities.
Yes it's not a good option for short term investment.
Regards
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@Sayeein … I am done expressing my opinion, you can go ahead and put forward your thoughts. One feedback I do have for you, you seem to be a knowledgeable person, please do think some day on the way you post as prolonging points where there is no need to do that, doesn’t add any more substance rather reduces the appeal of your argument in my humble opinion. Thanks
Thanks Musafar for the feedback.
I think I go into too much details which otherwise is not necessary to support my point. I will work on it, IA. Thanks for helping me in that.
points:
your theory of making Bahria phase 8 business hub makes sense if it is truly made a business hub. That means people no longer have to go to capital. But what are the odds of this happening? very very low.
But if it happens then Bahria will rock. Per kia aisa ho sakta hey?
second point:
Bahria Enclave Islamabad has bahria standards and it is actually in Islamabad. For living and investing it is far better than phase 8. Now the question is whether it will obtain NOC? I dont know. But it should not be a problem, i guess.
Brother Sayeein! I share your view on enclave 100% but the NOC issue is a significant risk even if the chances are low ... As it is risking one's heard-earned money, I'll personally buy in enclave with eyes closed if they get NOC. BUT again everyone's appetite for risk is different, I can only speak with mine.
I am not saying that bahria will become blue area in the future, but with all this huge area filling with people, there sure will be lots of economic activity to create jobs. Also one other thing to keep in mind is that DHA and Bahria is attracting the kind of people who have more disposable income and that is what engenders economic activity the most, rest only Allah knows the future but the kind of development, infrastructure and planning they have is definitely unmatched and thus a strong fundamental factor as opposed to a bridge or road opening to cause short-term speculative price-rises, these are solid factors at the foundation which are bound to stay